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How to correct a profile's parents?
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We have many, many profiles with multiple sets of parents listed. Now that we cannot correct the parents by editing the profile (under Relationships), how can we correct them? When I try to do it in the Flash tree (resolve conflicts), it usually tell me that I can't do that because it would split the tree. How do I correct a profile's parents without splitting the tree?
Sidenote: I have complained out loud so many times about that damned splitting the tree message that it has become an in-joke between my husband and I. "Oh no! You're going to split the tree! Can't split that tree! ;) "
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
I agree wholeheartedly with Erinspice. In fact I can see that the ability to split a tree or should I say branch off a main tree would be a benefit and seem to remember asking if this would ever be possible, many moons ago. I'm sure that eventually these loose branches would get merged into their correct positions. At the moment we of the Collaborating on historic profiles group are getting nowhere fast!
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
I think we don't have tree splitting because it could lead to abuse or what is seen as abuse. For example, a relative of mine has locked out a big chunk of my tree, has barely input any info on these profiles, and won't allow anybody to add, update, or correct anything on them. As a result, we're all screwed. Now, if we could split the three, we could painstakingly reinput everything and just disconnect her stuff and let it float away on its own island. To me this makes sense but to her, it could be seen as abuse. Now imagine if malicious people did that and you could have bigger problems.
But that's what banning abusive users is for, so I say bring on tree splitting.
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
Mike I think this is a particularly good example:
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000004286817222#6000000005585060837
You will see Henry III King of England son of John and Isabella d'Angoulemeand Henry 3rd Earl of Lancaster son of Patrick and Maud de Chaworth.
I keep having to sort this area out. People get confused because Henry I king of England was married to a Maud/Matilda and Henry III EARL of Lancaster was married to a Maud and Henry III king of England was married to Eleanor and his mother's name was Isabelle and Henry 3rd Earl of Lancaster's mother's name was Maud but her mother was another Isabelle and so it goes on.... When one is directed to the merge trees box, very often there is nothing one can do here as some profiles are locked and the others would'split the tree' however if the tree is in the wrong place or untouchable, it should be split.
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
This may seem either stupid or obvious (not sure which) but would a solution lie in trying to preserve the "Big Tree" and when a branch or section is known to be correct a person can apply for it to be a protected area of the "Big Tree" and then when other branches need to be split off they can be unless already under protection, so the messages would be something like: "this request could not be completed because it would cause a split in the Big Tree" or "Do you wish to continue with this request as it will cause a branch to become split/isolated/floating."
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
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I am thinking along those lines..it might come back to the concept of the "Super Manager'
For example if you are a Super Manager of profiles in the protected part of the Big Tree and I collaborate with you, if I want to merge a profile IT MUST GO TO YOU TO MERGE.
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
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We discussed this more today, and will be giving this feature back in the form of the "remove connection" buttons that you currently see only when there's a cycle. It may take a few weeks to get the change implemented and released, so hang in there.
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
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@mike - that will not help, unless you remove the blocking of showing break-cycles only when a profile is "clean", i.e without any merge issue.
It is in the middle of a merge process we urgently need a method of splitting the tree and selecting parents.
Could you please tells us what kind of problems splitting the tree would make?
I can't see any, except that profiles "hanging in the air" probably should be marked or listed in the sidebar or another place, but they always shows up in the managed/added-by list, and they are also easily picked up by the search and hot-match functionality.
Posted 2 weeks ago # -
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I don't understand why Geni goes through the "cycle". Why don't they just list the relationships and allow us to remove them. Why must I create a cycle to remove an incorrect relationship? I often intentionally have to created a cycle by making the a married couple children of the same parents, removing the spouse relationship, then restoring the correct parents. With this change, looks like I won't be able to do that anymore. At some point, the cycle is going to be broken and I'm going to be left with an incorrect relationship. Just list the relationships and allow me to remove them. It should be almost as easy to remove a relationship as it is to create one. If it's going to split the tree, then perhaps instructions on how best to deal with it.
Posted 1 week ago # -
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When we release the change I spoke about above, it will allow anyone to split the tree. We will still give a split-tree warning if we cannot find a cycle for the relationship connection that you are removing.
The problem this will create is that wherever we talk about profiles that are connected to you, we may be wrong about that if someone has split the tree. That goes for the count on the home page, the tab under search, and a few internal functions related to path searching. Thankfully we've already eliminated the permissions that were tied to "connected to you" so it won't affect privacy. Obviously in the long term this fragmentation would erode those features to the point of uselessness, however we've put together the plans for how we'll deal with that before it becomes too problematic.
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What is a cycle?
Posted 1 week ago # -
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A cycle is when a group of people in your tree are connected in more than one way. For example, 4th cousins marrying each other.
Posted 1 week ago # -
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Ah. So all I have to do to get around the "split the tree" warning is to connect the profiles at another point in the tree? Then I will be able to unmarry or change parents?
Posted 1 week ago # -
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That is one of the methods I have been using all the time to split the tree, - "The Brox Maneuver" which mike called in the forum for some time ago.
The method cannot be used if the profile is in a pending merge and without setting the parents correct first you have a deadlock.
Posted 1 week ago # -
Isn't that not really splitting the tree, since you have to first multiply-connect the profile to the tree?
Posted 1 week ago # -
Sounds like a recipe for a potentially ever tightening knot to me!
Posted 1 week ago # -
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I should have been more explicit when I said a "split tree warning" -- after seeing the warning you will be allowed to split the tree, with the consequences that I detailed above.
Posted 1 week ago # -
@Mike I quite understand you not wanting to follow three threads where one will do but as you directed us back to this one I had hoped that you may have addressed what @wilsopam and myself had said in the other thread http://forum.geni.com/topic.php?id=54031
Posted 1 week ago # -
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@wilsopam asked that the "select parents" drop-down be restored, for the purposes of detaching incorrect relationships. That's exactly what we're going to enable, but not through the select parents drop-down. We're going to do it with the "remove connection" buttons you've seen in the past (on cycles) at the bottom of that Edit Relationships tab.
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"We're going to do it with the "remove connection" buttons you've seen in the past (on cycles) at the bottom of that Edit Relationships tab."
I am still confused here.
@Mike do you mean when we see the Yellow Icon with the exclamation mark explaining there is a parent conflict, if we click on that we WILL NOT be able to use the parent drop down menu to choose the correct parents but we will see something similiar to the marital relationships showing up in the Edit Relationship window?
Posted 1 week ago #
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