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New Enhancements: Sharing & Merging
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Merging
The View Profiles link for pending merges in your merge issues list now uses the new side-by-side format. This allows for faster merging with better verification to help you get through those mere issue quicker.
Sharing
Shared profiles are historical and famous profiles that anyone can find and view. Your family and collaborators can edit any profile you share. Sharing a profile helps the Geni community find and merge around common ancestors.
Anytime you add a new profile to the tree you now have the option to make it a shared profile. When you add a profile outside of your maximum family group (your default family group plus inlaws connected through ex's) it will be shared by default. You can uncheck the Share This Profile setting if you don't want to share that profile.
You can also share all of the profiles you've previously added outside of your maximum family group in one click. Look for the Share Profiles button on your manage profiles settings page.
- This will only share profiles that you manage
- This will not affect any close relatives (fourth cousins and closer)
- You can not undo this bulk change, but you can individually unshare profiles
Posted 2 months ago # -
Will living people I add beyond fourth cousins also be shared by default? I would not like that.
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@Nixie they will, but you can just uncheck the box in the add node form when you add them and they won't be shared.
Posted 2 months ago # -
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Great with the merging. Now we need to get family merging process cleaned up.
I, and I think most people, aren't going to mass share profiles until it doesn't share true living individuals. You must have some algorithm that can distinguish the living from zombies.
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I was looking forward to this mass sharing feature, but agree that I can't do it until I know that I'm not violating someones privacy. From what I understand, share profiles are fully visible to the public. I'd like to mass share out my deceased ancestors though.
Posted 2 months ago # -
I set my maximum family group to second cousins instead of fourth cousins, since I can't think of a third cousin I've ever met. I've only even heard about them by seeing their profiles on Geni. In any case, the mass share would make these people shared and that doesn't seem right.
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We have the stupid thing in Geni which enable viewing details of a profile, like the About Me field where we put the important and fun stuff only limited to the manager's family definition.
This means that if you are the manager of your 5th g-grandfather's profile in a shared tree you should remember that this person might be the nth g-grandfather of many Geni users which will not be able to see the details of the profile just because of a stubborn manager that don't want to share a g-grandfather with other g-grand children of him. Their only solution might be to add a duplicate.
So in general: Set all pre-1900 profiles as Shared if you are in a Shared tree.
You cannot and should not have exclusive rights on common ancestors.Posted 2 months ago # -
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I haven't paid much attention lately, so I'm not sure if it has been brought up elsewhere, but one thing I don't like about the side by side profile thing is that I can't see any way that one can predict who will end up being the manager.
The old way it was quite obvious, as it was the "main" profile. And I could back out of it before the final merge if it would be an uncooperative Geni member who would become the manager.
In the side by side view it might be either the left or the right side profile that "wins", and not necessarily based on the data I see. And the moment I realize who it is, the profiles are already merged and there's no way back. I have already been burned many times. OK, I will have access to the profile either way, but I don't really want to hand a key profile to somebody who makes it difficult for everybody else.
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@jeffg If it wasn't clear, bulk sharing profiles you manage will never share the profile of someone who has joined Geni. In fact, it won't even share a profile that has been invited to join Geni. Also, you can always use your managed by me list filtered by shared only to review and unshare profiles after the fact.
@Mattt Bulk sharing will only share profiles that you personally manage, and only profiles that are beyond your fourth cousins. It doesn't matter what you personally choose as your Family Group, this is why we use "maximum family".
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@Noah, is the "bulk share" feature designed to only work on the profiles that you added yourself AND manage or should just managing a profile be enough? I have a lot of profiles that I imported via a gedcom through a dummy account and then transferred ownership to myself. Profiles outside of my family-group that were added this way were not shared via the bulk share feature (at least the ones I've checked so far).
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@Noah I understand that it will not share a profile that has been invited, but just because I don't know their e-mail, doesn't mean I should violate their privacy and put their information online. I'm the type of person that wants 0 hits in Google on my name, and if someone else put my information out there and my associated family, I'd be extremely pissed. It's not right to put a living person's private information out there, regardless of if they've been invited to Geni or not. I think your mass program should default to not sharing living profiles, or at least give the option to not share living profiles. I will say that zombies are different and I would like these shared.
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@dwalton76 bulk sharing will convert any profiles you manage, we don't take the profile adder into account. If this isn't what you have observed can you forward some examples to help@geni.com?
@Jeffg I completely understand your privacy concern. Keep in mind that a vast majority of users have not added living profiles beyond their fourth cousins, so the current option will work for most people. Finding a way to kill the zombies while leaving the true living private is a complicated matter. You can always find the shared living profiles after you share them and convert them back.
If you aren't comfortable with the bulk sharing feature you certainly don't need to use it. You can continue manually sharing profiles. Keep in mind that the new 'share this profile' checkbox on the add node form is intended to minimize the number of historical private profiles in the future. Bulk sharing is intended as a one time process to share existing historical profiles.
Posted 2 months ago # -
1) I added my second great aunt's ex-husband's wife today. She is outside my maximum family group, but she was *not* set to shared as default. So the new default doesn't seem to work.
2) What exactly does shared mean? Who exactly has editing and merging rights for a shared profile? Everyone connected (which is quite many in the big tree with almost 25 million profiles now)? Or all Geni users (connected or not)? If shared means any of these two options, it means that almost anyone can merge anywhere without any control from the descendants or profile managers. And who can see (view) what? Can anyone including non Geni users see everything via Google for all shared profiles (including living), and are the full profiles (including all photos) public?
3) Depending on the answer to (2) and if the default actually works (1), is there any chance that it can be an option for all users to choose their own default outside our family groups (shared or not shared)? I have been adding quite a few fourth cousins once removed and third cousins twice removed lately, and I will continue to do that. They are all living, and I would seriously invade their privacy if their profiles would be public without their consent. It is so easy to forget to uncheck the "shared" box every now and then. I also often add ex-spouses' current spouses etc (outside my maximum family group), because that often explains the current last name of the ex-spouse and is therefore interesting. And then I also often help newly found 3rd and 4th cousins to research "their" side of the family (my in-laws). That includes many living people outside my maximum family group. And I wouldn't really like anyone to merge with my 4th great grandparents (that I added and manage) without having the possibility myself to verify if the merging user is serious and has reasonable data first. It is so easy for a maniac to start a tree just to merge with anyone and destroy what we have built for several years now.
Posted 2 months ago # -
Ploughing through historical merges where there are 30-80 stacked duplicates it would be wonderful if after each merge in which I'm a collaborator it did not return to the main profile OR
if the duplicates appeared in order of collaborated with then not collaborated with so that you only got returned to the main profile when you are one step away instead of dozens.Posted 2 months ago # -
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@Nixie please send this to help so we can look at the specifics and see what is happening in this case.
@PINKLE we are working on bringing the side by side merging window to pending profiles merges from the profile. For cases with multiple pending merges we'll use a carousel to help you get through them more quickly.
Posted 2 months ago # -
That sounds hopeful Noah, great!Thanks.
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We can add bulk request management to the list of new features, - got the management jackpot my selves here:
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu41/bpbrox/Managementjackpot.png
The profiles did not get shared even if I have bulk shared my profiles, and there was no option to re-enable bulk sharing.
Posted 2 months ago # -
The goal of sharing profiles is good, but for me it is a strange idea to make shared a profile of a living person, or a near relative of someone else in Geni.
Why not make it possible to share just all historical profiles ? The "zombies" will stay a problem, but there must be another way to kill them.
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Checked your options lately (as Noah tells about above) ?
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu41/bpbrox/Bulk-Share.pngIn general I only share profiles for deceased people, but the exception is of course profiles of people with hight public interest, like famous people, royals and such.
In the last category I have even bypassed Geni's shared protection for minors, but that is not working anymore.
@Geni: How can I make a profile like this fully public and shared?
http://www.geni.com/profile/index/6000000002192408156
I could of course remove the birth year, but that is cheating.
Posted 2 months ago # -
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@brox right now we have a hard and fast rule that you can't share a minor's profile. I don't see that changing anytime in the future. I realize that this is an issue for cases like this one, but we think it is better to stay on the safe side on this one.
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